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mspkfv: December 01 2005
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Review of Steve Cotter's DVD The Encyclopedia of Kettlebell Lifting
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The Encyclopedia of Kettlebell Lifting is awesome! I received mine last night and watched about 2.5 hours of it. It is very long (7 hours.)
I am very impressed with the quality of the product. Steve does a very impressive job detailing and demonstrating a huge amount of Kettlebell exercises. His physical ability is amazing. The amount of exercises on the DVD is fantastic. I have been involved with Kettlebells since late 2001 and I am continually impressed by the quality of products put out by quality intructors.
I cannot reccommend it enough.
Kurt V RKC,CAS
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Steve Cotter: December 01 2005
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Thanks, and are some otherinsane exercises done in series. Good observation about the pistols. I realized quickly into the leg section that I should have done that at the beginning of the filming, rather than in the middle.
All the footage was done on one take and the producer and I decided to use all of the footage. It is always instructional to see how to recover from less than perfect reps, as well as to see reps done with perfect form.
Glad you like it.
Steve
http://www.shihan.com
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mspkfv: December 01 2005
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Review of Steve Cotter's DVD The Encyclopedia of Kettlebell Lifting
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The Encyclopedia of Kettlebell Lifting is awesome! I received mine last night and watched about 2.5 hours of it. It is very long (7 hours.)
I am very impressed with the quality of the product. Steve does a very impressive job detailing and demonstrating a huge amount of Kettlebell exercises. His physical ability is amazing. The amount of exercises on the DVD is fantastic. I have been involved with Kettlebells since late 2001 and I am continually impressed by the quality of products put out by quality intructors.
I cannot reccommend it enough.
Kurt V RKC,CAS
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Steve Cotter: December 01 2005
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I'm glad that you like the Encyclopedia DVDs. Please let me know if you have any questions.
All the Best,
Steve Cotter
steve@fullkontact.com
http://www.shihan.com
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Marty RKC: December 01 2005
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So there I was at the O'Club. 2 1st Lts, 1 Capt, 1 Civilian and 1 Col.
I give you my word I didn't say anything about Russia. It came up because the Capt who was a friend of mine brought it up and explained it to the Col. The words that made the Col bust out laughing harder then I've seen a Col were weight lifting. Ha ha. I sat there for a few minutes as his laughter infected the surrounding inhabitants with a stoic semi laughing look and then said "Sir, usually the ones who laugh the hardest become the most fanatical." I said it in good taste. He agreed and said that he wants me to show him. Today the Capt who also works for another Col said it came up that I went to Russia. When this Col found out why he pushed himself back from his chair and couldn't stop laughing according to the source. He now wants to bring it for mil call in this bureucratic society may not necessarily be a bad thing. That means the Col's got a laugh in good taste. Its those who have no interest and laugh who are disrespectful.
What's ironic is the some of the peers at this Mil Call who were disrespectful will eat it. Trust me when I say I do not care. The only reason for this post is to share the mirth I had.
Marty
PS. I wear a baggy uniform which probably doesn't help my muscle bound self;]
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Steve Cotter: December 01 2005
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Marty,
You will have those Officers' full respect in no time, that is for sure.
As we saw very clearly in Russia, strength and ability come is all sorts of configurations.
Just don't show up to the first KB lesson in a singlet ;-]
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Fitzy: December 03 2005
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During San Ti Shi standing meditation exercises, where should one's intent be? At the lower tan tien?
Thanks in advance.
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Steve Cotter: December 04 2005
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Initially, mind in lower tan tien.
After some time, change to inhale to tan tien, exhale to lao gong point in lead palm (issuing point--pericardium 8 point on acu channel);
next, inhale from nose down ren channnel (front midline) to ren 1 point; exhale up Du meridian (rear midline)to extra point between shoulder blades and out through lead arm to lead palm. Do not project intent out of the hand, only to the palm (keep the energy in the palm).
There are other progressions later. Consult an acupuncture text for reference of where these points reside, if you are not clear.
Steve Cotter
http://www.fullkontact.com
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Scott Shetler: December 04 2005
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Georgia NSCA State Clinic & Cotter KB Seminar recap...
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A great weekend for sure!
Started out Friday at Longhorn after Dave Randolph and I spent almost 2 hours making the normally 1/2 hour trek to the airport to get Steve. Welcome to Atlanta where the playa's play and the traffic freakin' sucks! LOL! Nothing like a some ribeye and fried cheesecake after sitting in traffic all night! Dr. Mike is a great guy and has really done a lot for the NSCA GA organization, it's always a pleasure to work with him.
Saturday morning Marty "bent press" Farrell drove up and met us at my place then Steve, Dave, Marty and I went to grab some food before the clinic. Highlight of the weekend was seeing Marty eat two (YES TWO) huge breakfast sandwiches! Keep at it Marty 160 is yours in no time!;-)
The clinic was held at the Wellness Performance Institute. This place is awesome. Gary Schoefield's performance training company sponsored it, QST, and the place if unbelievable. 55,000 sq ft, 10,000 sq ft of astroturf, a huge strength training area with everything you could ever want, 8 racks, platforms, sleds, bands, chains, special bars, kettlebells, a 55yd 4-lane indoor running track and a bunch of vertimaxes. There is also a sports orthopedic clinic, chiros, phys therapy, massage and a community fitness center on the way. An unbelievable facility.
The clinic opened with Julie Nellis a PT/ATC who spoke on using plymetric training to prevent ACL injuries in adolescent athletes. We were running late from Marty's huge breakfast so we missed the bulk of this one.
Dr. Mike presented next on cardivascular/endurance training concerns. Unfortunately we had to leave and run back to my house so we could grab some heavier kettlebells and missed Mike's presentation. We caught the tail end of it. Mike is a very dynamic speaker and alot of his material "goes against the grain" so to speak.
Gary Schoefield's presentation was on Vertimax training. A cool device, a platform you stand on with elastic resistance attached to your waist belt. Basically it is a belt squat machine with bands, but a little moresophisticated than surgical tubing. He ran through how they use it with their pro football and hockey players then had some volun-tolds do some demos on it. Squats, jumps, lunges and the movement exercises of the Parisi warm up. good stuff, but not sure I am going to run out and buy one for the gym just yet.
During the lunch session Mike and I moderated a "round-table" discussion of sorts. Mike had me open it up and I spoke briefly on accomodating resistance and the correct way to use and set up chains for the squat, bench and deadlift. Pretty common knowledge for most of us, but too many gyms and coaches still do this wrong. So I did my impression of the ghost of Christmas Past, drug my chains (or Bling as Cotter likes to call it) up there and talked for a few. Here's the cool thing, we had big Ed Russ attend the clinic. Ed is a former training partner of John Bott's and Ed has a 1008 squat to his credit. Ed also got crushed with 1052 at a meet in Cali and finished the meet so his 1008 would count, and with a screwed up knee managed to pull a high-400 dl and end with a 2000+ total. Awesome! Ed was there to learn KB's cause' that's the thinig to do for pl'ers and I had the pleasure of working with him for the hand's on portion of the clinic. A great guy and I look forward to learning a ton from him in the future.
After the lunch session Steve did the KB presentation. (BTW-they had pizza for us and Marty ate it non-stop! During breaks in the afternoon session and eveything! I think he put on 5 lbs just Saturday alone! Good work Marty!) Jason Holbrook came down from Athens and helped Steve along with Marty, Dave and myself. Some of the attendees had already been using KB's and for some it was new. Steve's presentation covered all the basics. If you've worked with Steve you know what an excellent and dynamic instructor he is. The attendees were eating it up. I think everyone's jaw hit the floor whenhe demo'ed towel swings, since it was Cotter he had to use a 70lb bell of course and I am willing to bet that if there was an 88lber there that would have beent he bell of choice. Steve's technique is exceptional and one thing you can't help but notice is how effort less he makes the drills look. Perfect postural alignment, excellent mechanics, he makes it look too easy. Everyone I spoke with gave me excellent feedback. We had about 60 attendees and I think pretty much everyone agreed Steve's clinic was worth the admission fee.
Great job to all presenters and everyone worked hard at making the clinic a success. It was excellent.
We capped the evening off with sushi at Sakana Ya, except for Perry Winkle Tinkle who insisted on devouring a whole chicken, rice, soup, salad and a bagel roll (salmon cream cheese sushi roll) and demanded more food. The guy is a machine! Dinner was great and it was cool to hear of Steve and Perry Winkle's escapades in Russia.
A great weekend! Thanks to those who attended and thanks Dave for coming down to help out and Steve for once again making the trip out to the ATL, you know this is how we roll! ;-)
-Scott
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Steve Cotter: December 04 2005
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Nice report Scott. A great clinic with eager participants. Dr. Martino is really on the ball and the facility is the cooleest toybox I've ever seen.
It was fun telling Ed Russ not to hurt himself in the front squats with the 2x24kg, LOL!
You, Dave, Lt. Farrell and Jason were most helpful--thanks.
The ATL is the place to go if I ever want to go on a 'bulking cycle', mos' def.
To clarify, it is Perrywinkle Twinkle, not Tinkle. Were it not for his hummingbird metabolism, he would be a SHW the way he eats. Don't be drinking too much of that Hatorade though, cuz' Mr. Twinkle will simply bent press you if you upset him.
BTW, Scott, we all agreed that you were really 'shining' during your rountable discussion with the bling.
Thanks for a great time!
Steve
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Scott Shetler: December 04 2005
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Georgia NSCA State Clinic & Cotter KB Seminar recap...
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A great weekend for sure!
Started out Friday at Longhorn after Dave Randolph and I spent almost 2 hours making the normally 1/2 hour trek to the airport to get Steve. Welcome to Atlanta where the playa's play and the traffic freakin' sucks! LOL! Nothing like a some ribeye and fried cheesecake after sitting in traffic all night! Dr. Mike is a great guy and has really done a lot for the NSCA GA organization, it's always a pleasure to work with him.
Saturday morning Marty "bent press" Farrell drove up and met us at my place then Steve, Dave, Marty and I went to grab some food before the clinic. Highlight of the weekend was seeing Marty eat two (YES TWO) huge breakfast sandwiches! Keep at it Marty 160 is yours in no time!;-)
The clinic was held at the Wellness Performance Institute. This place is awesome. Gary Schoefield's performance training company sponsored it, QST, and the place if unbelievable. 55,000 sq ft, 10,000 sq ft of astroturf, a huge strength training area with everything you could ever want, 8 racks, platforms, sleds, bands, chains, special bars, kettlebells, a 55yd 4-lane indoor running track and a bunch of vertimaxes. There is also a sports orthopedic clinic, chiros, phys therapy, massage and a community fitness center on the way. An unbelievable facility.
The clinic opened with Julie Nellis a PT/ATC who spoke on using plymetric training to prevent ACL injuries in adolescent athletes. We were running late from Marty's huge breakfast so we missed the bulk of this one.
Dr. Mike presented next on cardivascular/endurance training concerns. Unfortunately we had to leave and run back to my house so we could grab some heavier kettlebells and missed Mike's presentation. We caught the tail end of it. Mike is a very dynamic speaker and alot of his material "goes against the grain" so to speak.
Gary Schoefield's presentation was on Vertimax training. A cool device, a platform you stand on with elastic resistance attached to your waist belt. Basically it is a belt squat machine with bands, but a little moresophisticated than surgical tubing. He ran through how they use it with their pro football and hockey players then had some volun-tolds do some demos on it. Squats, jumps, lunges and the movement exercises of the Parisi warm up. good stuff, but not sure I am going to run out and buy one for the gym just yet.
During the lunch session Mike and I moderated a "round-table" discussion of sorts. Mike had me open it up and I spoke briefly on accomodating resistance and the correct way to use and set up chains for the squat, bench and deadlift. Pretty common knowledge for most of us, but too many gyms and coaches still do this wrong. So I did my impression of the ghost of Christmas Past, drug my chains (or Bling as Cotter likes to call it) up there and talked for a few. Here's the cool thing, we had big Ed Russ attend the clinic. Ed is a former training partner of John Bott's and Ed has a 1008 squat to his credit. Ed also got crushed with 1052 at a meet in Cali and finished the meet so his 1008 would count, and with a screwed up knee managed to pull a high-400 dl and end with a 2000+ total. Awesome! Ed was there to learn KB's cause' that's the thinig to do for pl'ers and I had the pleasure of working with him for the hand's on portion of the clinic. A great guy and I look forward to learning a ton from him in the future.
After the lunch session Steve did the KB presentation. (BTW-they had pizza for us and Marty ate it non-stop! During breaks in the afternoon session and eveything! I think he put on 5 lbs just Saturday alone! Good work Marty!) Jason Holbrook came down from Athens and helped Steve along with Marty, Dave and myself. Some of the attendees had already been using KB's and for some it was new. Steve's presentation covered all the basics. If you've worked with Steve you know what an excellent and dynamic instructor he is. The attendees were eating it up. I think everyone's jaw hit the floor whenhe demo'ed towel swings, since it was Cotter he had to use a 70lb bell of course and I am willing to bet that if there was an 88lber there that would have beent he bell of choice. Steve's technique is exceptional and one thing you can't help but notice is how effort less he makes the drills look. Perfect postural alignment, excellent mechanics, he makes it look too easy. Everyone I spoke with gave me excellent feedback. We had about 60 attendees and I think pretty much everyone agreed Steve's clinic was worth the admission fee.
Great job to all presenters and everyone worked hard at making the clinic a success. It was excellent.
We capped the evening off with sushi at Sakana Ya, except for Perry Winkle Tinkle who insisted on devouring a whole chicken, rice, soup, salad and a bagel roll (salmon cream cheese sushi roll) and demanded more food. The guy is a machine! Dinner was great and it was cool to hear of Steve and Perry Winkle's escapades in Russia.
A great weekend! Thanks to those who attended and thanks Dave for coming down to help out and Steve for once again making the trip out to the ATL, you know this is how we roll! ;-)
-Scott
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Steve Cotter: December 05 2005
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I'll be watching the Gilmore Girls, too. Pavel was right what he said about this soft-living out here in SoCAl. I may have to pack up the family and head off to Siberia for awhile to man up, before I film my next DVD.
If I'm being called metro by you then I have really fallen ;-)
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BradJ: December 05 2005
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Attn Steve Cotter
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I watched some clips from your video. Wow! You are unbelievably strong! You have inspired me to hit the pistols hard. Your video is on my "Must Have" list.
Brad
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Steve Cotter: December 05 2005
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Thanks so much Brad. I appreciate your compliment.
The DVDs are now available on the website below.
How are things going for you?
Best,
Steve
http://www.shihan.com
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Marty RKC: December 06 2005
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Don't train GS anymore but
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5 days ago when called out to prove a Col wrong, demoed Jerks for one minute.
Doing somewhat under par in Moscow is an understatement and is neither here nor there. 28 Jerks in 10 minutes when doing doing 35 in 7 was best.
Until post Russia, technique needed improvement. (whos didn't) and it always will to some degree.
measure a 10 minute Jerk test catered to a one minute through 5 minute Jerk test but I won't start that until feb/mar time frame.
Anyways, with no equipment and at the end of a work day did 10 Jerks in one minute rather easily for a demo with no belt. Then proceeded to do it again at another request for 14 in one minute also no equipment(half of 28 in Moscow).
Technique has undergone a significant improvement.
Anyways its off to deadlifts but there is a plan to do well. Thought about offering a GS seminar(hosting Federenko) but have the audacity to assist or at least host. Thoughts. Public criticism I don't give but don't affront to those who give it esepcially when I ask for it. So give it .
BTW,
50 dollars
Time: 9:30 through 1:30 Dec 10th
Place: 2683 Timberbrooke Place
Duluth, GA 30097
Material will include mostly training cycle for powerlifting, GS and TSC(technique).
FYI.
Marty
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Steve Cotter: December 06 2005
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You're as clear as a bell Marty.
I follow your thoughts. If I may interpret your biography here, I think your apparent reservations may come from the sudden reality of being a small fish in a very large pond.
I feel the same way.
In my opinion, that is a much better station than the alternative---being a big fish in a small pond.
My technique has also changed a lot since returning, and I'm doing a fair amount of DL, too. The blend of power and relaxation is a very precise concept and of course takes years of study to really apply. GS is almost mysterious in that way (mysterious to those of us who are not at an elite level,).
To your request of public criticism, I think you are uniquely qualified to offer your service, and you should definitely connect with Valery and set up a GS seminar on your base. Let's make that happen. You have generated a lot of interest and curiousity and teaming up with VF would be a great way of exposing more. It's really difficult to conceive of the advancement of GS without the visual of a world champ. Even then it's mind-boggling but at least everyone can see the possibility to lift heavy weights lots of times.
You are naturally a very humble person, which is a blessing. However, you definitely have seen and accomplished some things that very few in your world have, so don't be hesitant about putting it out there, imo.
How's that for audacity?
Steve
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Juani: December 07 2005
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JUMP!!!
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Hi everyone!
I'm Juan Ignacio, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
My real love is the Internal Martial Arts, I'm the younger disciple of Master Chao Piao Sheng (www.enerchi.com.ar) but at the same time I'm a dancer, I'm graduated as a Physical Educator Teacher and I was a gymnast when I was a teenager.
At the same time I work on Internal Martial Arts specific training (TaiChiChuan & Baguazhang, standing meditation, chi kung, and so on)
I work on my strenght and acrobatics skills.
I find that a lot of the exercises (as the pistols, almost all of the flexibility drills and stuff) are the same or similar to those that my master thought me. And are part of the traditional conditioning of Baguazhang or XingYiChuan systems.
That encourage me to train harder on those exercises as I was finding more and more info and pics of old (and great) masters of my lineage doing that kind of training.
But what I want to talk about is the famous "light body" also called "leather strips" or "pi tiao gong". The skill of jump really high that always appears in movies and tales. I think that some real thing is hide behind that story. And maybe there is a natural method to train that skill. I mean, jump really high...maybe some "old-fashioned" plyometrics or something.
What do you think?
Thanks in regard.
Juani.
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Steve Cotter: December 07 2005
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Juan,
It sounds like you have a very strong lineage. My lineage of hsing-i is very similar to what you described.
You are correct about the jing gong training or light ability. I did some practice of that when I was in my teenage years. Basically, it involved digging a hole and jumping out. The jump is not from a deep knee bend, rather it is from bubbling well, a slight dip and then spring up from the feet.
Each day dig the hole deeper, and add weight to the legs.
So, it is an old-school form of plyometric training. Modern coaches say that the boxes offer the same exact value, and at face value, they are correct. Why dig a hole when you can just jump onto the box. Physiologically, it is the same response. However, I believe the process of digging the whole is a discipline in itself, and ads a depth to the overall trainig which somehow makes it more effective. This is not scientific of course.
I did the pit jumping somewhat but as you know, much of the xing yi/hsing-i style is plyometric in nature. Trainings like dragon, snake body, whipping hands, pistols and stone key all contribute to this type of light ability that you speak of.
Historically, the light ability has become less prevalent (the NBA has its own version) because it's application was for fighting against swords, pikes, and whips. It was essentially to be able to jump over the cuts and be very acrobatic, and so that 'movie' kind of gong fu was a real, practiced skill. Can't block a sword, right?
In modern eras, hand to hand and short weapon became more prevalent, and so inordinate amount of time spent on acrobatic and light skill became less practical. Things like fa jing, short range power, became more important. The pinnacle of this thought, imo, is the i-chuan system in which, "small movement is better than big movement, no movement is better than small movement".
Hsu Hong Chi, who was my teacher's teacher said, when he was almost 50 that ' when I was young man, I could jump 10 feet and kick; now I old man and can only jump 6 feet, and proceeded to float up and very lightly flick his side kick at the head of my 6 foot teacher, and gently land. This was in street clothes and in the course of simple conversation (never really simple conversations with gong fu masters, but that's beside the point).
If someone really wants to study this gong, it can be done. But remember that the gongs were developed through intensive study. In days of yore these specialists would study religiously 1 gong for many years. Be it iron palm, iron shirt, light ability, soft body, etc, it was much more than a passing fancy. You have to have a really important reason to develop a skill like that to 'legendary' proportions.
A good athlete can easily get to a 36' or so jump, a great one with genetic blessings can get to 40'; but to jump onto buildings, you must become a monk. That's why you don't see a bunch of people around that have that skill. There out there, as evidence by the Le Parkour and similar troupes, but not a lot of gong fu guys doing that anymore. If you find any, let me know!!
For the time being, practice your pistols and lots of xing yi dragon. Also, do dragon jumps with 40lb + BB on your shoulders. Jump as high as you can and land softly. You will learn quickly to land softly, because the BB will slam down on your neck if you don't. I used to work up to high rep sets 50+ with that exercise and my legs were quite springy.
Keep in touch, xing yi man.
Steve Cotter
http://www.fullkontact.com
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Juani: December 07 2005
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JUMP!!!
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Hi everyone!
I'm Juan Ignacio, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
My real love is the Internal Martial Arts, I'm the younger disciple of Master Chao Piao Sheng (www.enerchi.com.ar) but at the same time I'm a dancer, I'm graduated as a Physical Educator Teacher and I was a gymnast when I was a teenager.
At the same time I work on Internal Martial Arts specific training (TaiChiChuan & Baguazhang, standing meditation, chi kung, and so on)
I work on my strenght and acrobatics skills.
I find that a lot of the exercises (as the pistols, almost all of the flexibility drills and stuff) are the same or similar to those that my master thought me. And are part of the traditional conditioning of Baguazhang or XingYiChuan systems.
That encourage me to train harder on those exercises as I was finding more and more info and pics of old (and great) masters of my lineage doing that kind of training.
But what I want to talk about is the famous "light body" also called "leather strips" or "pi tiao gong". The skill of jump really high that always appears in movies and tales. I think that some real thing is hide behind that story. And maybe there is a natural method to train that skill. I mean, jump really high...maybe some "old-fashioned" plyometrics or something.
What do you think?
Thanks in regard.
Juani.
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Steve Cotter: December 07 2005
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Quite the lineage. Warriors all.
Correct, the physical training alone is not sufficient for light ability. Mastery of the body on a very subtle level is required, which means qi gong meditations in conjunction with the physical.
With your lineage, you must have all the methods necessary which you will learn in due time.
I am not at the level of mastery that I can comment further on the energetic components of jing gong.
Being very strong muscularly is not in contradiction with high qi gong levels; obviously fluidity and body control in conjunction with exceptional contractile strength is the 'ideal' formula.
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Juani: December 07 2005
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JUMP!!!
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Hi everyone!
I'm Juan Ignacio, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
My real love is the Internal Martial Arts, I'm the younger disciple of Master Chao Piao Sheng (www.enerchi.com.ar) but at the same time I'm a dancer, I'm graduated as a Physical Educator Teacher and I was a gymnast when I was a teenager.
At the same time I work on Internal Martial Arts specific training (TaiChiChuan & Baguazhang, standing meditation, chi kung, and so on)
I work on my strenght and acrobatics skills.
I find that a lot of the exercises (as the pistols, almost all of the flexibility drills and stuff) are the same or similar to those that my master thought me. And are part of the traditional conditioning of Baguazhang or XingYiChuan systems.
That encourage me to train harder on those exercises as I was finding more and more info and pics of old (and great) masters of my lineage doing that kind of training.
But what I want to talk about is the famous "light body" also called "leather strips" or "pi tiao gong". The skill of jump really high that always appears in movies and tales. I think that some real thing is hide behind that story. And maybe there is a natural method to train that skill. I mean, jump really high...maybe some "old-fashioned" plyometrics or something.
What do you think?
Thanks in regard.
Juani.
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Steve Cotter: December 07 2005
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dragon sword
Basically rows and rows of duck walking with an 8 lb sword in 1 hand and an 8lb shield in the other. This skill was practiced to fight against soldiers on horseback. The horses were armoured, so the green dragon sword method was to come under the horses body in a duck squat, uses the shield to deflect the spear or sword coming down, and then use the uppercut motion to slice the legs of the horse--worked well apparently.
Do that training everyday for 3 years and your legs will be movie gong fu like to say the least.
So many options, so little time.
Steve
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Juani: December 07 2005
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JUMP!!!
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Hi everyone!
I'm Juan Ignacio, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
My real love is the Internal Martial Arts, I'm the younger disciple of Master Chao Piao Sheng (www.enerchi.com.ar) but at the same time I'm a dancer, I'm graduated as a Physical Educator Teacher and I was a gymnast when I was a teenager.
At the same time I work on Internal Martial Arts specific training (TaiChiChuan & Baguazhang, standing meditation, chi kung, and so on)
I work on my strenght and acrobatics skills.
I find that a lot of the exercises (as the pistols, almost all of the flexibility drills and stuff) are the same or similar to those that my master thought me. And are part of the traditional conditioning of Baguazhang or XingYiChuan systems.
That encourage me to train harder on those exercises as I was finding more and more info and pics of old (and great) masters of my lineage doing that kind of training.
But what I want to talk about is the famous "light body" also called "leather strips" or "pi tiao gong". The skill of jump really high that always appears in movies and tales. I think that some real thing is hide behind that story. And maybe there is a natural method to train that skill. I mean, jump really high...maybe some "old-fashioned" plyometrics or something.
What do you think?
Thanks in regard.
Juani.
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Steve Cotter: December 08 2005
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train with strong people, and do what they do ;-)
Various levels, heavy lifting, ballistic lifting; exceptional contractile strength is most easily measured by lifting heavy---a BB DL is the classic test;
there is also plyometric type of strength which isn't always so easily measrued; test such as vertical jump as one method;
basically, become more powerful through various training methods; that's basically what gong fu study is, only applied to fighting.
http://www.fullkontact.com
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Shawn Reed: December 09 2005
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steve cotter you have mail...
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dlskafl[
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Steve Cotter: December 09 2005
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Shawn,
Great to hear from you!
I have not received an email from you.
Please resend to this address: steve@fullkontact.com
Look forward to receiving it.
Best,
Steve
http://www.fullkontact.com
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Cayenne: December 13 2005
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Swing question
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Not long ago someone, ( an RKC I believe,) posted about how they teach trainees the swing. They said that they emphasize pushing the rear end outward past the heels. ( They provided a somewhat more graphic visual :] ) I've also seen mention here of "catching" the hamstrings. To me this hamstring catch has the same feel as the deadlift stretch.
In finding the groove for swings, how does the trainee find the precise amount of knee bend ? ( ie; less bend=more hamstring catch, more bend=less load on back, yes? How to find optimal degree of bend ? )
Feedback appreciated.
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Steve Cotter: December 13 2005
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Cayenne,
If you view the swings in terms of 2 possible extremes:
1. a full squat, in which the KB drops straight down at the bottom;
2. a SLDL (no knee bend), in which the KB arcs behind you, through the legs
Both will work; in either case, the weight remains on the heels throughout.
You can move the KB by simply bending and extending the knees, emphasizing pushing the heels firmly to the ground,
or
you can move the KB by rocking the hips to and from.
Somewhere between these two extreme alignments will be 'your' perfect groove.
As a generality, those will shorter levers (like me!) will tend to gravitate toward a more squat-style swings; those with longer levers (like you)) will tend to gravitate toward the straight-leg style.
In sum, practice each of the extremes, and gravitate toward the style that feels most comfortable; split the difference (combine elements of both) to find the ideal groove.
Thanks for your comments about the Encyclopedia DVDs.
Steve
http://www.fullkontact.com
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John Kaupp: December 15 2005
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First KB class at Knockout Fitness in San Diego
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I taught my first KB class today at Knockout Fitness Club in San Diego, Mission Valley area. It was pretty fun teaching beginners again the basics of kettlebells. Went over the basic swings, TGU, MP, squat, windmill and cleans. Did not get to the snatch. Next class will be on Thur., Dec. 29th.
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Steve Cotter: December 16 2005
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Great to hear. Sorry I couldn't make it out for your class.
Knockout is going to be a great center for kettlebell training in San Diego!
They have an incredible facility and are lining up awesome instruction.
Talk to you soon.
Steve
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Randy Hauer RKC: December 27 2005
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Pavel and RKCs...swing technique question - comments please.
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OK...so maybe I'm thick and didn't get this at the cert, but I swear I've learned something new from watching Jeff Martone's 2 hand swing form (from his new DVD). Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what I'm seeing.
Jeff appears to actively stop or cut short the swing at its apex and actively pull the kettlebell down all the way from the top position to bottom position.
Since the cert, I have been letting the kettlebell "float" to the apex as high as momentum takes it and allowing it to drop via gravity, following it down and adding a little drive as it nears the bottom (the "hike pass") between the legs. So I've been doing (and teaching) a "passive" drop from the top, following the bell down and then actively guiding at the bottom as the bell passes between the legs.
However, copying what I think I'm seeing in Jeff's video, squeezing the handle at the top (so the ball doesn't flop up)and actively pulling the kettlebell all the way down seems to add not only more control but further engages the hip flexors, abs and hammies. The back seems to stay more "locked in" as well. The groove seems much cleaner, too.
Comments?
Thanks,
Randy
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Steve Cotter: December 27 2005
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Randy,
Good observations.
I would equate the differences you describe of the swing to the differences in technique in a GS snatch v. a 5:00 snatch test.
In the GS, the bell will float, and in the 5:00 test, the bell is actively pulled down. At least that's how it compares the way I currently practice both.
Not a relative comment to your specific question/observation, but it dawned on me reading your post as I am panting from my recent 5:00 test. I definitely try to speed up and as a result pull the KB down, as compared to the slow, steady approach to GS (1 set only).
-Steve
http://www.fullkontact.com
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fa_jing: December 28 2005
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Attn: people with OLY experience
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for someone who trains the OLY lifts not as the ends in themselves, but for their training effect...what does the snatch give you that the clean and jerk does not? Is it just the overhead component or does getting the bar up there directly have a different effect then the clean. The reason I ask is that it is relatively hard for me to teach myself the snatch vs the clean 'n' jerk and I wonder if I'm missing out on cool benefits.
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Steve Cotter: December 28 2005
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may have the fastest sporting movement times---a jab.
I can't say for sure what the recoreded times are, but I know certain boxers have been timed with the jab being faster than a snake spitting out its tongue.
Because the jab involves the movement of a smaller, lighter body part, it would make sense to be faster than the jump/land of a snatch.
In either case, OL are some of the most powerful and fastest athletes on the planet, no doubt about it.
--Steve
http://www.fullkontact.com
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fa_jing: December 28 2005
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Attn: people with OLY experience
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for someone who trains the OLY lifts not as the ends in themselves, but for their training effect...what does the snatch give you that the clean and jerk does not? Is it just the overhead component or does getting the bar up there directly have a different effect then the clean. The reason I ask is that it is relatively hard for me to teach myself the snatch vs the clean 'n' jerk and I wonder if I'm missing out on cool benefits.
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Steve Cotter: December 29 2005
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it is an entire body movement and I have no doubt that it is the fastest of all entire body sporting movements.
My comment about the jab, was in the context of Geoff's comment about the "fastest sporting movement" which naturally, a non-committed movement with a limb is faster than a fully committed movement with the entire body.
Semantics really. Just wanted to point out a different perspective.
Speed and power aren't the same things. The first is a component of the second, yet also a stand-alone entity.
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stlcate: December 28 2005
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My Steve Cotter inspired 5:00 Snatch test results
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94 Reps with the 24kg
Break down:
20/20, 12/12, 10,10, 5/5
Rested 3 minutes and did some swings:
1X10/10 @ 32kg
1X20/20 @ 24kg
1X40/40 @ 16kg
1X10/10 @ 32kg
Rested about 1 Minute between sets, wiped out after last set.
CI
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Steve Cotter: December 28 2005
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that's some serious work there.
But maybe you didn't go all on the snatch test? ;-) I know I had to collapse on the ground for a few minutes directly after, and wouldn't have been able to do those swings right away.
Just kidding, that's a serious trainig session.
Great job!
Steve
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Paul Tucker: December 28 2005
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Going to failure in GS?
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Out of curiosity , should a girevik go all out in the jerk section or hold back short of total failure , if said girevik was aiming to back it up later in the snatch section? I know the lifts target slightly different muscles , but could frying the CNS + muscles in the jerk harm the snatch numbers?
Either way , not a particularly "pleasant" way to spend a Saturday/Sunday , but it beats watching telly! Pain is good!
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Steve Cotter: December 28 2005
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the advice given to me by Fedorenko and by several Russian competitors is to try to always go 10 minutes in the jerks, and at least 6 minutes in snatch.
RPMs will depend upon how you feel that day. If you feel very strong and rested, you may go 6 or 8 RPM (for example); if you feel tired or weak, go maybe only 4 RPM. The idea is to get used to going the entire 10 minutes--most important thing.
If you cannot currently go the entire 10 minutes with the 32kgs, make sure you can do so consistently witht the 24kgs first; if not 10 min yet with/ 24s, go 10 min with the 16s, etc.
At different points in time, you would go all out, but not every session or even most session. Pick a goal for the day based on how you feel (or by what the coach says, if you have one).
Yes, frying CNS will diminish snatch numbers to follow, but that's just the way it goes. One of the important techniques of jerk is to learn how not to fatigue the grip.
BTW, I recently lost a bunch of email files, so if you were waiting for my reply to your previous emails, please resend and I will respond promptly.
Have fun!
Steve
steve@fullkontact.com
http://www.fullkontact.com
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