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Huskers98: June 01 2005
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Putting it together: Kettlebell Training with Combatives
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Greetings from Iraq....
Going to be a long winded post here, but my coach and I were wondering what the opinion is out there with this. Here is the deal: Combatives (in this case boxing and MMA) usually require you to be on the balls of your feet to be able to move in multi-directions. Kettlebell training and Olympic Weightlifting require you to be on your heels most of the time to gain the most effective power and recruit the necessary muscles needed for explosiveness.
You fight like you train and train like you fight. After so many hours of training, muscle memory finally kicks in and the body reverts back to what it is programmed to do, especially when one gets tired. Being on your heels during a fight usually leaves you flat-footed, so this leads to the question: Would it be better to train with the kettlebells and Olympic lifts on the balls of the feet, or stick with the correct form and just remember to stay on the balls of your feet when you are fighing, etc.
Thanks. Just trying to tie it all together and improve myself here.
Husker
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Steve Maxwell: June 01 2005
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While it sounds logical, 'train like you fight and fight like you train', it is false logic. You are trying to replicate specific skills with a general strength movement. Learning to perform weight lifting movements on ones toes requires a completely different set of skills than fighting on ones toes. You are cross mixing purposes. The weight training is designed for general strength and conditioning of the muscles involved. It has nothing to do with fighting skills, which need to be specifically worked. Trying to mimic sports or combat skills with weights or kettlebells will only result in motor learning confusion. Keep your strength seperate from your skills.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.maxercise.com
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liftlikeustoleit: June 02 2005
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Question for the experienced grapplers
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It was really disappointing last night to see three comrades I train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with bow out last night due to back pain along with the instructor's mention of two other guys who didn't show up at all due to back injuries. They are all very experienced. I have less than six months under my belt. Luckily, I have managed to avoid serious back injury for many years since recovering from a back injury during a basketball game in high school (knock on wood). I have tried to focus my resistance training on more functional movements such as Deadlifting and always try to fit either vacuums or power breathing into my ab training to focus on the transverse abdominis,. These actions have probably played a role in my managing to avoid serious back injury all these years.
I would just like to know of any other useful tips or advice the experienced grapplers here might have that I could use for myself and my fellow comrades. Thanks.
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Steve Maxwell: June 02 2005
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Many BJJ players as well as other grapplers develope muscle imbalances in the torso from over developement of the hip flexors and abdominal structures while neglecting the muscles that extend the spine. This is especially true of people that like to play the bottom position in the guard. Back problems are not common amoung wrestlers and judo players because of the amount of back strength involved in executing take downs and throws. You can't even play that game if you have a weak back. When I indentify a student with this type of muscle imbalance, I place him on a steady diet of 45' back hyperextensions, glute/ham raises, pelvic shoulder bridges with weight held on the hips and stretching the spine with back bridges and laying over a swiss ball. Once the back begins to feel stronger, Romainian deadlifts, deadlifts with the arms inside the legs (like a kettlebell deadlift) and barbell goodmornings. I am very careful to teach proper breathing and pressurization techniques. The weight is built up very slowly. Once the deadlift lifts are looking strong and the back pain has completely disapeared, I teach round back deadlifting with sand bags or a weighted heavy bag.Round back deadlifting is important for grapplers because it is impossible to always lift with a nice arched back when grappling. This process may take many months and should not be rushed or a set back may occur.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.maxercise.com
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Will WilliamsRKC: June 07 2005
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Steve Maxwell's RKC CAS 10 minute slaughter. . .
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Thank you Mr. Maxwell for an absolutely devastating ten minute workout. mY TRICEPS (FROM HINDU PUSH UPS) and my everything else (from pull ups) still aches to the touch. It's good when the masters pummel us youngbloods every now and then. Those of you who were there know. I was too sore to sleep in the airport monday afternoon.
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Steve Maxwell: June 08 2005
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If it makes you feel any better, after the class went outside, I stayed behind and put myself through the same routine. I couldn't ask anyone to do something that I wouldn't be willing or able to do. I agree, it was pretty brutal. I kicked my own ass.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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SriapornM01: June 08 2005
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Question for Steve Maxwell Re: Posture
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Dear Steve,
I have purchased your Cruel Exercises and Grappler's workout DVDs - and very much like them. I would like to ask you today re posture. My lower back tends to arch alot, my behind sticking out (and my belly and chest swaying forward to counterbalance with my head protruding out). Is this called swayback posture ? or hyperdorlorsis ? or are they the same thing ? Secondly, I have tried to stretch my flexors and strengthen my abs repeatedly, but it still remains. When I stand should I conciously tilt my pelvis slightly and contract my abs (when walking) to make the posture better ? or should that come naturally as a result of exercising ? Many, many thanks !
Mark
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Steve Maxwell: June 08 2005
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It's impossible to tell without seeing you. On all swings, deadlifts, snatches and cleans, the back should remain in a tight arch. During normal activities, the back should be nuetral and not in an exaggerated arch. When you stand straight, the feet, knees, hips and head should be perfectly aligned. A self test is to stand with the heels, tail bone , shoulder blades and head against a wall. You should be able to do this easily. If you have to strain or force it, you need corrective exercises. For most postural abnormalities, hip flexor and hamstring stretching coupled with abdominal and rear shoulder strengthening is the prescription.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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Pavel Tsatsouline: June 08 2005
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Bodyweight Strength workshop in PA announcement
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PHILADELPHIA, PA
Pavel and Steve Maxwell have teamed up for a one of a kind 'Naked Warrior Plus' bodyweight strength training seminar at Maxercise on Aug 13-14. Learn Pavels instant strength techniques and Steve's amazing arsenal of out of the box bodyweight drills. E-mail Com. DC Maxwell, dcmaxercise@aol.com, for details.
Comrade, be there!
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Steve Maxwell: June 08 2005
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You can also register by calling 215-928-1374 and get the early discount. We will cover all aspects of the Naked Warrior and other amazing body weight drills. Every kind of pushup, pullup, ab work variations, squats using rings, rope bar, floor, wall, doorways will be covered. Never be dependent on a gym or equipment again! You are the gym. More details comming soon.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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Swede: June 16 2005
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Back question for Pavel and Party
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After getting (Resilient) and reading an article on Jeff Martone's article, I've started doing wall walks and/or shoulder bridges before and after high volume snatch workouts. I also just received BB today and found the McKenzie Method for a Healthier Back (pg 156/157). Are these three movements going to do the same things? In other words, are they redundant? Or does the extended ROM of wall walks or the load of a bridge make them significantly different? Basically what I am asking is what should I do to keep my back happy as I try to increase my snatching volume? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Peter
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Steve Maxwell: June 17 2005
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Peter,
The most frequent cause of injuries in strength/endurance exercise is the sudden increase in volume. This has been well documented in many population studies. So the most important thing to keep your back safe is to very gradually increase your volume of high rep work. The kb snatch works the back muscles in a state of constant contraction. The spine remains in a constant tight arch statically while the glutes and hamstrings propell the bell upward. Any type of mobility work for the spine, including forward bending would be good therapy. Holding back bending postures and the shoulder bridge are redundent, unless of course you have tight hip flexors. You are already holding your back in extension for prolonged periods of time while doing high rep snatches. A very therapeutic and protective exercise that I work with my athletes is the 45' back hyper-extension. I use the wave style, where one allows the back to round or flex forward and then performs a slow extension one vertebrae at a time, in a wave like motion. This exercise strengthens the low back through the full range. Snatches tend to shorten the hamstrings, so do some PNF hamtring stretching at the end of each session. Shortened hamstrings are the frequent culprit in back problems. Keeping a strong abdominal structure is also very important as well as the rotational muscles. Exercises like janda situps, Russian twists and hanging leg raises are vital to a complete back program. Excess intra-abdominal fat also stress and puts undo strain on the lumbar spine. Getting rid of the pot belly is also very important. A spare tire is bad for ones health in other ways as well.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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rmonti01: June 17 2005
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Strength Strength Stretching Question
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I've watched the DVD twice now it was worth every penny.
My question is should these become the focal point of my stretching sessions (bumping RIS out) on off days or should they be done another time like after lifting?
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Steve Maxwell: June 17 2005
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Rob,
It depends on your focus. Strength stretching has a major impact on getting stronger by improving the way the nervous system perceives resistance. However, for increased range of motion for non weighted movements, relax into stretch would be ideal, after regular training. You were always pretty flexible, so perhaps the strength stretching might be all you need. You could always add one or two RS style stretches if you find yourself getting tight. It only takes a few minutes to add on a couple RS techniques each day.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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tank guy: June 17 2005
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Request Help With Windmills
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Hello,
I'm new to the forum and K-bells. I have the "Russian Kettlebell Challenge" book and video and have been experimenting with the various exercises. I have no problem with the cleans and snatches, etc., but when I tried the "windmill" I hit a wall. I just can't do it. I can't bend forward at all. Any suggestions?
Tank Guy
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Steve Maxwell: June 17 2005
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Tank Guy,
Welcome to the DD forum. Wind mills are tough for a lot of guys, especially if you have not been doing any hamstring stretching. Pre-stretch your hamstrings prior to practising the windmill by doing some gentle stretches. Start with a lighter weight. If you only have one kettlebell, use a light dumbbell. Build your confidence with the light weight. make sure that your feet are not to wide, a common mistake. Also check your feet and make sure they are pointing the same direction, another common error. When you bend forward, imagine that you are trying to touch an imaginary point between your feet. Pull yourself forward with your abdominals. Keep your eyes focused on the weight and 'open' your shoulder as you arch your spine. If you are still struggling and are far from touching the floor, place a low stool or pile of books between your feet as a focal point. You can gradually lower the focal point until you reach the floor. It is okay to bend the front leg slightly, but do not bend the rear leg. Also make sure that the weight is shifted back on the rear leg. It is also okay to do a couple of partial reps at the start of the set and to gradually reach lower and lower as the set progresses. Incorporate these ideas into your practice and I am sure you will be successful.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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bwake: June 17 2005
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K-bell Question for Steve Maxwell
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This is something that has been bugging me for a while. In Pavel's RKC book, there are a few pics of Steve Maxwell and his son working out with some homemade kettlebells. My question is how is the handle constructed? The weight part of the bell appears to be a sawed off dumbbell, but the handle is a mystery to me. Please elaborate.
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Steve Maxwell: June 18 2005
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I get a lot of questions about those kettlebells. When I was new to kettlebell training, I could not find a kettlebell any where. I had read Pavel's original article in Milo. After contacting him, I had a pretty good idea of what a kettlebell should look like. Russ, one of my jiujitsu students, worked in a metal shop and made me a pair over his lunch hour. They are made out of stainless steel. Russ took two scrap blocks of steel and put them on a lathe and turned them until they were round. He then welded two handles out of the same material. They are one of a kind.He did the job for free, even though I tried to pay him. If I were to have a pair custom made out of that material from a comercial shop, it would cost four hundred dollars or more. He made them from a verbal description only with no picture or plan. They are amazingly serviceable, but no match for the Dragondoor ones. I still use them. They are a little over 50 lbs. each.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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BigTex: June 19 2005
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Steve Maxwell or others- on increasing low back volume
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Steve,
I am following your basic program on building low back strength fitness (joint mobility, hypers, good morning stretch, no windmills due to pain, swing/snatch, abs...) after coming off an injury and was wondering what you thought a logical progression for volume would be. I started up again two weeks ago and hypers went like this (I have a hyper/glute ham bench not a 45 degree):
Day 1 - 3 x 10 - this was hard to give you an idea of how weak my back was
Day 2 - 4 x 10
Day 3 - 5 x 10
Day 4 - 5 x 12 - this felt better than day 1.
Day 5 - 3 x 15
These five days were done over about a two week period. I realize that these are sharp increases in volume, but since it is merely bodyweight at first and the progress was fast, I just kept adding. Should one begin adding weight conservatively or more bw reps for a while? I have read that Bill Starr wanted his athletes to work up to a set of 50 by reps as a warm-up before lifting days. I just didn't know if there was a minimum amount of bw reps that you like to see before you begin to add weight.
Swings/Snatches. I have a 12kg and 20kg kettlebell, and dumbbells all the way up to 75lbs. I don't snatch the kb yet as I have not learned how to do it without beating the crap out of my forearms :). Really, any swings hurt a the low back bit on the descent and I am working on "hiking the kb" between the legs as noted a few days ago. Snatches don't hurt so much as I tend to stay more upright. Obviously right now I need fitness, but the ulitimate goal is power as opposed to conditioning. Yes, hamstrings are tight and am working on that too. I apologize for the length. Thanks for all your posts,
Steve.
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Steve Maxwell: June 20 2005
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The glute/ham raise is an outstanding exercise. It is not an outstanding low back exercise. Do yourself a big favor and buy a cheap 45' back extension. Here on the east coast, I saw a decent one for $69.00 on sale. You can get them for under $150. When the low back is the weak link, you must take the hamstrings out of it as much as possible. Most people cheat and bend their legs. You must not do this. The 45' back extension is the single best rehab/strength exercise that I have ever done. You can certainly include the glute/ham exercise as part of a circuit. Research has shown a high corelation to low back endurance and diminished back pain. Work the abs hard as well. Build up to 50 reps in as many sets as it takes. Stop when fatigue sets in, a rep or two short of failure for each set. Start with 20 reps and build up from there, adding 5 reps every other workout once you can do a strict, no monentum set of 20 straight. The 45' is a different animal and affects the low back very differently than the glute/ham.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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green ghost: June 19 2005
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Today's Push/Pull Training
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Morning,
Pushups done with 100 lb plate on back for 5x5. 60 seconds rest between sets.
Starting position of all sets was the bottom.
JS Band shoulder drills.
Evening ( Speed Drill )
2 KB Dead Cleans using 70s for 12 sets of triples. 30 seconds rest between sets. All reps done touch and go. Placement of KBs was outside of legs.
Tomorrow ME Swing Snatches drill using fat handled 105.
Eddie
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Steve Maxwell: June 20 2005
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I don't know why more people don't utilize the weighted pushup as a basic arm, shoulder, chest and core exercise. They make so much more sense for most athletes than the traditional bench press because of the stability factor.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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d1g1talscar: June 26 2005
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Question for Steve Maxwell on his wrestling conditioning...
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Steve,
In your posts you write about conditioning by training for a specific amount of time (e.g. a wrestling match is 6 min more or less, with mins and overtimes) like doing chin-ups for 6 min, etc. This type of training makes much sense, but I have a question, actually two questions, for you:
1. Wrestling season is in winter, so would it make sense to do the PTP program right now to gain maximum strength/tension, and then, a month before the season starts, begin conditioning your way?
2. The PTP way of thinking makes me think that this type of conditioning builds muscle/weight, because it seems to have many reps. So, the question is, does it really add weight on you or not? This is important because I weigh around 124-126 lb right now and I'd like to wrestle in the 125 lb weight class (that is I have to be less than 125 lb) this winter.
Although the question is addressed to Steve Maxwell, anyone is free to drop their thoughts.
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Steve Maxwell: June 27 2005
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Off season conditioning for wrestling should definitely include absolute strength work. Heavy, low rep sets of basic lifts such as deadlifts, presses, weighted pullups and dips are a great way to increase strength with minimal mass or weight gain. This general strength program can be a nice break from tye strength -endurance work for a few months. As the season gets closer, a more specific conditioning program needs to be incorporated such as you mentioned.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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malenightingale31: June 28 2005
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are 2 kb's better than 1?
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i have read the article about purchasing the next kb but i am still hesitant. should i get the 24kg and continue doing single arm movements, or do i get another 16kg and do 2 kb drills? i have the funds for a kb but cannot decide which to get. my workouts have been going great with the 16kg, but i don't know if i should add more weight or use 2 arms. any insights would be greatly appreciated.
jay
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Steve Maxwell: June 28 2005
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With two kettlebells, you can do some very productive exercises that single kettlebells can't touch. Front squats for instance or double snatches. You will also be shocked at how much harder and cardio double bell workouts are.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell.com
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eric55: June 30 2005
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Arm Training question for Pavel!!!
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Quick question, I read alot of articles stating that to get big arms, one must do certain arm curl routines. In your book Beyond bodybuilding you don't advocate training arms directly. But there is a part of your book were you talk about tarining ones arms with ten sets of five reps for both biceps and triceps. In your opinion, is it really necessary to train arms directly to them to grow???
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Steve Maxwell: June 30 2005
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While it is well known that doing heavy compound movements will build mass throughout the entire body, including arm girth, sometimes specialization is needed to stimulate growth in lagging body parts. Generally, most trainees do not need to spend a lot of time with arm exercises as the arms are involved with all upper body movements such as presses, dips, rows, pullups, chinups, bench presses etc. Adding extra arm work can over train the relatively smaller
weaker arm muscles. It also has been demonstrated many times that the arm muscles will grow without any direct stimulation by performing heavy leg, hip and back work. Heavy barbell squats and deadlifts for example, will increase over all size in every body part including the arms. This is due to the 'indirect effect'. By stimulating the large muscles of the body, hormonal growth factors are elevated that stimulate muscular growth throughout the entire body. Sometimes, however, certain body parts such as the arms or calves will lag behind in developement. Much of this is genetic, but with intellegent use of isolation and specialization, improvement can be made. There is no magic formula. A lot of experimentation must be done. 'Cookie cutter' formulas can be tried, but tweak them to serve your own purposes. Usually two to three weeks of arm specialization is all that is needed for good results. Then one should go back to heavy general training for a few weeks. This cycle can be repeated several times.
Steve Maxwell
http://www.stevemaxwell
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