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kettlebell-nut: June 29 2006 

USSS Snatch Test vs. GS Snatch for RKC? 

After reading ETK and thinking back to some conversations with Fireman Tom from this January, I am curious about the RKC testing. Considering that over the last year the USSS Snatch test has become the defacto-standard and that ETK focuses extensively on these drills, are there plans for the RKC cert test reflect this? Rather than training for a GS type event why not have USSS snatch standards for each gender/weight class and test candidates that way?  

Answer

Pavel Tsatsouline: July 01 2006 

Com. kettlebell-nut, a 10min test would leave the victims too smoked too soon. They have three days of practice and at least five workouts ahead. The purpose of the snatch test at the RKC is to make sure the student has a base level of conditioning, shoulder flexibility, and familiarity with the kettlebell. The numbers are not high enough to test toughness and they are not meant to be. No worries, noone walks away after three days asking for another workout. 

 

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comradsoto: July 03 2006 

question regarding good mornings for pavel 

pavel, I recently got my hands on your (Beyond Bodybuilding)(excellent book by the way). You made a recommendation for good mornings instead of squats for someone with a bad knee. But Im not really sure about how to do the exercise. And also was wondering about what weight to use, warming up (Bruce Lee hurt himself with this exercise), and a spotter. I know this is a lot but any input would be appreciated.  

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 04 2006 

Com. comradsoto, welcome to the Party! If you use a power rack you don't need a spotter. A power rack is always better than an incompetent spotter. Start with an empty bar and take it from there. If the descriptions and photos in BB are not enough get a powerlifter or weightlifter to show you how to do the GM (the bent knee straight back version; there are many others, don't go there for now). 

 

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Screwface: July 04 2006 

Kb Snatch style discussion. Please weigh in... 

Hi there, I am prepping for my RKC certification, coming up soon and I am having a discussion with my coach about which style of snatching is the most "energy efficient" - Meaning: Which version of the Kb snatch causes you to perform the most reps? (RKC approved styles of course, so sadly no corkscrew snatch) Traditional Style: As seen in Pavels books. Swing way back between the legs, bent knees, thrust the Kb forward with the hips and legs, all the way to the top. With or without the "dipping under" thing... Locked knees: Very slight bend in knees. Momentum gathered by bending at the waist and using the hips only, to get that bell to the top. (My coachs´ favorite) High pull + punch: Either of the above, performed as a high pull, followed by a punchthrough. The answer to my question seems pretty obvious, I know: "Why doesn´t the moron just try all three styles and see which one gets him the most reps?" I tried that and all three styles leaves me at a pathetic 20 reps or so with each arm, before my lungs and grip give up. (Long way to 37 reps pr. arm and I only got another six weeks) Which style do you suggest I focus on? P.s. My height: 180cm. Weight: 92kg. Fairly lean... Thank you 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 04 2006 

Com. Screwface, we allow any style that is legal according to GS rules (corkscrew, no corkscrew, what have you). The reason we test the snatch is to assure the student has trained with KBs and has a base level of conditioning and shoulder flexibility without which you could not make it through the course. The test numbers are easy to work up to in any style. Pick one style and stick with it.  

 

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Tomas Johansson: July 05 2006 

double jerk technique (bit long) 

2 days ago I hurt my back double jerking a pair of 24 kg kettlebell. I've been troublefree in my back for some months doing heavy (for me) deadlifts, cleans presses and so on. I must have done something bad with the jerks. The back has been quite bad, it's the lower part of the back and it hurt in all movements, it's getting better now but I have to get the technique rigth. Emediatly after the work out I felt something was bad since it hurted to bend the back backward. What I do is, keeping the bells in the rack i try to lean back (a problem?) to get under the bells for rest, It's what it looks when I watch gs videos. Then I knee dip and try to keep the elbows in contact with the torso for the start of the jerk. When I do the second dip and the standup I try to get the bells behind my head and close together, the hips back and an arch in the back. Does all this sound right, well something has to be wrong but maybe I explain badly. I guess what I need help with is hip alignment during different phases, arch of the back and when to pressurize and when to relax and also how to get rest. Hope someone take time to help me out so I don't become a cripple again, I really like the exercise, thanks. 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 06 2006 

Com. Tomas, the GS jerk technique requires exceptional spine and hip flexor flexibility -one reason why I teach a modified technique to people who use KBs for S&C, not GS. Also, when you rest you are supposed to push your hips forward rather than lean back. Looks the same but makes a big difference. Heal fast! 

 

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ddmoates: July 05 2006 

Pavel; question on pressing after noting 

your comments to Gregor: I am unclear as to the relative role you ascribe to volume and intensity in improving the press. (My heavily underlined and annotated copies of (ETKb, BB, PtP et. al. are downstairs in my basement gym. I'm more than willing to review any suggested sections . . . ) My understanding was/is that the press (and other drills) are subject to improvement in primarily two ways, either through increased neurological efficiency (GTG) or increased muscular mass, which will respond to the appropriate motor unit stimulus. I further understand these two approaches to be overlapping (absent overtraining) and best implemented by training emphasizing volume (muscular mass, e.g. the "Bear," from PtP) or intensity (GTG, at about 83%-85% 1RM weights). By overlapping I mean that heavy, lower volume training will indeed develop considerable muscle mass, although perhaps not what high volume bodybuilding oriented work might achieve, while the high volume lower intensity bodybuilding work will increase strength to a certain extent (certainly over that achieved by a non-trained control subject) In respect to the former, one can cite the Bulgarian Oly team (e.g.Botev) who apparently rarely exceed doubles in their lifts, (mostly at 90% 1RM or more) while certain builders, such as Yates and Coleman are strong by almost any measure. Forgive the logorrhea, but I want to be clear on my premises. Now this being so, I'm honestly confused by your answering Gregor to the effect that to improve his press he must do high volume, and should he switch to higher intensity lower volume work w/ a 48 kg KB his retention of strength is questionable. Am I wrong in thinking that either approach is valid? And if the Bear, whivh emphasizes volume (or ETKb's Rite of Passage, which does likewise) is pointed towards an increase in muscular mass, as opposed to an increase in absolute 1RM strength, and GTG is the opposite, it would seem that as long as volume and frequency are sufficient, although less than ETKb his strength should increase. Or is the difference in the frequency with which the w/outs are performed? In sum, what volume of work at what level of intensity (% 1RM) is optimal for strength increases as a primary outcome, increases in muscle mass being secondary?  

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 06 2006 

Com. ddmoates, not all exercises play by the same rules. Your shoulders are much more limited than your legs or back in increased recruitment potential and you have to gain some mass. The Bulgarian WL team experience is not relevant because we are dealing with global exercises (SN, C&J) that can be upped through neural training alone. Please review the first page of the free special report #1 that came with the ETK book: "three things that will make your presses go up."  

 

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craterus: July 11 2006 

Pavel, question about Russian powerlifting team bench training 

I started this program this week and one part of it strikes me as peculiar. Why does Coach Sheyko bother having the lifter do random excercises like PBN or incline bench very rarely? For example, the lifter is to do PBN and incline bench once in the first week then not touch the excercises again until week 4. Whats the point? At least there is some sort of consistency with the p-bar dips so I can understand. Also, all of the excercises besides bench are all pressing motions...PBN,dips,inclines. IF I am squatting instead of deadlifting for this program would you advise that I throw in one excercise maybe once or twice a week that works my pulling strength? I am thinking pullups or T-Bar Rows (chest supported rows). Believe me, I am not skeptical of the genius behind Sheyko's program, I was just wondering what the functional purpose of the setup was. Thank you very much. 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 12 2006 

Com. craterus, some Russian PLers ask the same question about the very infrequent inclusion of some presses in Sheyko's programs. They just up the frequency of these exercises, e.g. twice per microcycle and w/o changes. Re pulls, I pulled out one of Sheyko's BP specialist programs (no DL) and he recommends lat work (unspecified) for 5x8-10 twice a week in the prep period. You are asking very good questions.  

 

Question

Ivan Drago: July 13 2006 

Weighted Rope Climbing anyone? 

This is a new idea I just thought of, although I'm sure its not new by anymeans, just new to me. Has anyone here done it, or know someone who has? If you have home much weight were you pulling. Seems like a killer grip, arm, and back workout. Any info on the topic would be great, thanks! 

Answer

Pavel Tsatsouline: July 13 2006 

Com. Ivan, when my elbow does not act up much I climb two ropes at once with ankle weights or a 26lb. KB on a tight Iron Mind belt. You are right about the grip. The reason I do it is John Brookfield told me rope climbing is on top of the list of exercises that enabled him to close the #4 gripper. I ran into a plateau on a #3 (could close it with a set for 1.5 years but not with a credit card) and decided to give it a shot. Since John weighs a lot more than I do I reasoned that I had to add weight. I like it. 

 

Question

wushuguy: July 14 2006 

700 lb bench press with 24k KB? 

I was talking to my brother the other day. He said he saw in the Hard-Style Catalog a quote from someone saying, "Why would you want heavier kettlebells for Benching when you can get a 700 lb bench (or floor press... I can't remember) with a 53 lb kettlebell". The quote was something along those lines. I looked through the online Hard-Style and couldn't find it. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, how? The only techniques that I'm aware of for increasing the difficulty of a floor press are to relax at the bottom of each rep, slower reps, and lower the bell a little at a time... pretty much all the same things that Pavel recommends for increasing the difficulty on the military press. So is this quote at all valid? Are there any other techniques that I can use to increase the difficulty on the Floor Press? Right now I feel I'm ready to move up from the 32kg's, but won't be able to afford the beast's any time soon. Thanks for any advice. 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 15 2006 

Com. wushuguy, when Louie Simmons said that he was referring to KB assistance exercises for the BP. He did not say that was all you had to do. You still must bench. If you review the logs of Coms. Donnie Thompson and Marc Bartley you will see that while they use 106s, plenty of their training is done with lighter KBs -even 35s.  

 

Question

SSGGLASS: July 16 2006 

Pavel- Any chance i can get a kettlebell arm wrestling program?? 

mostly has been BUP, KB wrist curl and the KB floor exercises you showed in the second RKC DVD. Suggestions?? 

Answer

Pavel Tsatsouline: July 17 2006 

Com. SSGGLASS, the most important thing is finding experienced competing arm wrestlers to learn the technique and to learn what to do to reduce the risks of injury. You have to have at least one table practice a week. Partial (1/3 ROM on the top) one-arm dumbell curls are good: with one arm across your chest and the elbow of the working arm over it. Eventually very heavy. A variation is hanging the DB or KB by a thick towel. Table curls: pad your elbow and curl a DB off the table. Various hammer curls. Sledgehammer wrist work, esp. holding the sledge in front of you parallel to the deck, your arm by your side (works the top of the forearm, critical for top rolling). One arm chinup lockoffs (hold the top position, help yourself a little with the other hand initially). Can't do all of the above at once; your elbow will be toast. Crushing grip work is of limited use. Pec crushing work is helpful for inside pressure. E.g. partial curls crushing a few barbell plates with your palms.  

 

Question

ferrara: July 17 2006 

pavel that's the link about chernishev on powerlifting.ru 

http://www.powerlifting.ru/library/training/benchpress/b_systems/chernyshev/ as a weightlifting and pl coach it looks very very interesting, but not sure to understand everythings thanks a lot for your work 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: July 17 2006 

Com. ferrara, an interesting program. The author says, don't do anything but the BP to direct all of your body's resourses towards it. The program uses long pauses; the number in brackets indicates the duration of the pause o n the chest in the given workout. 3 / 2 ? 3 ? 2 means three sets of 2, 3, and 2 reps. I would write it as 3x2,3, 2. 70 is not % but kg and refers to a raw beginner's sample bench max; ditto for the other numbers, kilos based on a 70kg max. Thanks for the link! Sorry I do not have the time translate the whole article.