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Jacek: March 06 2006 

DL PR on Friday 

I went from a shaky 390 to a 410 in a good form (at about 165) using the Green Ghost's 6 week program. This is the first time I followed any kind of program without changing training days, or trying to "improve" a program. I'm planing to lift kettlebells for a few weeks. How many weeks should I lift KBs before starting another DL cycle? Can I still deadlift once a week to maintain my strenght? thanks, Jacek  

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 07 2006 

A nice jump, Com. Jacek! Comrades, pay attention: "This is the first time I followed any kind of program without changing training days, or trying to "improve" a program." Why would you think that you could 'improve' a program designed by an experienced strength coach? A professionally designed mass market program (the RSR Com. Jacek did, my version of DeLelorme from BB, etc.) will beat a 'customized' amateur routine every time. Don't waste years of your life trying to prove this statement wrong.  

 

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David Bennett: March 08 2006 

lower back... OUCH! 

Comrades, I have the most peculiar "tightness" in my lower back, doesnt seem to go away with flexibility training of any kind... could it be "scar tissue" that ART was designed to break up? Is there a way to know for sure so I don't get shafted into buying a treatment I dont need? 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 08 2006 

Com. David, just a thought. Pulling a 50lb. PR DL w/o DLing may have been a bad idea. You may have the strength from the Smolov but your tissues need time to adapt to a lift before maxing it (ask Com. Brett). Note how ofter PLers who convert into strongman get hurt. Plenty of strength + new challenges = dangerous. Heal fast! 

 

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fa_jing: March 08 2006 

Why are the biggest deadlifts in the world conventional? 

Just curious, since sumo-style seems to be more popular 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 09 2006 

Com. fa_jing, my buddy Doc Fred Clary who pulled 800 cv suggested that the cv DL is a movement naturally programmed in our neural development -bend and pick something up. When you sumo your nervous system thinks you are already sitting down, according to Doc. And a 'natural' movement allows greater psych as the technique is simpler. Don't forget Coan's 901@220 and Inzer's 780@165. Both styles work -for different lifters. 

 

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ZachariahSalazarRKC: March 08 2006 

Russian step ups article as promised...repost 

In a previous post pistol training was discussed. Russsian step ups as they are called was brought up and I was requested to post the article. Since it has tremedous importance for those who train with pistols and pistols and step ups have similar benefits I thouhgt I would post as a heading of its own . Enjoy!zzz Step Ups Soviet Style By: Mauro Di Pasquale Almost a decade ago, a retired Soviet hammer thrower came to the conclusion that traditional forms of squatting were not the best way to strengthen the muscles of the thighs and hips. Many in the Soviet Union considered this hearsay, as the squat was the king of leg training in that country just as it was, and is still, in the United States. Ten years ago, the full squat was the foundation of exercise programs for almost all elite athletes in the Soviet Bloc nations, whether they were weightlifters or not. Soviet athletes - be they wrestlers, runners, fencers, soccer player or swimmers - all squatted. But because the retired hammer thrower had won the gold medal in the 1976 Olympic Games and because he was a respected graduate of the Central Institute for Physical Education and Sport in Moscow, his opinions were taken seriously. His name: Anatoly Bondarchuk. His studies led him to conclude that a particular form of what we'll call the high step-up had two significant advantages over the standard back squat. Bondarchuk concluded that high step-ups, firstly, produce greater gains in thigh and hip power and secondly, cause fewer injuries. Bondarchuk does his research and coaching in Kiev. His fellow Soviet coaches and sports scientists were skeptical about his conclusions. However, as time passed and he was able to convince a few athletes and coaches, in a variety of sports, to drop squats from their routines and adopt the high step-up, it became clear that be had made a significant breakthrough. Many of the athletes using his "new" exercise began to make gains in power that were far beyond what they had made using only the squat. We qualify the word "new" because, in one form or another, the step-up has a fairly long history. A review of dozens of pre-1900 books in the Physical Culture Library at the University of Texas revealed that the step-up was commonly practiced before the turn of the century. In fact, Dr. Dudley Allen Sargent, who was for years the director of physical training at Harvard University, used a form of the step-ups as he was devising one of the first known methods of cardio respiratory testing. Sargent's method, first used over 80 years ago, is called the Harvard Step-Up Test. It involves stepping up, at a timed pace, onto a bench or chair approximately 20 inches high for a set period of time and checking the pulse rate at predetermined intervals. But the step-up was also used to strengthen and develop the hips and thighs. As weight training grew in popularity in the 1920s and '30s, the step-up with extra weight began to appear in books and magazines of that era. However, the squat with added weight was also given an enormous boost in America during this same era thanks to several crucial factors: Firstly, the wonderful lifting of the young German immigrant "Milo" Steinborn, who could do a full squat with more than 500 pounds, secondly, the publicity given to Milo's world-record-breaking abilities in weightlifting, and finally, the career of Joseph Curtis Hise, who not only gained a great deal of strength and muscle size with high-rep squats but also had the ability to fill other bodybuilders with enthusiasm for this arduous but effective form of training. Who knows whether the step-up with weights would have become more popular had Steinborn and Hise not appeared on the scene and raised the reputation of the deep knee bend, putting it at the top of any serious trainer's list of "must" exercises? In any event, the squat became the dominant hip and thigh exercise in America in the 1920s and has remained so ever since. When the Eastern European nations, led by the Soviet Union, began to assert themselves athletically after World War II, one cornerstone of their success was the squat. For a time, they turned to the West, particularly the United States, for training theory; but as the years passed and they developed their own coaches and sports scientists, they began to rely more and more on their own research. It was this tradition of self-reliant research that led Anatoly Bondarchuk to challenge the supremacy of the squat. One thing Bondarchuk concluded was that the heavy back squat was potentially dangerous to the structure of the lower back. In fact, according to his studies, it can be demonstrated that the back squat places a load on the structure of the lower back that, in the bottom position, is at least twice as heavy as the load on the bar. The actual amount depends on the speed of descent and ascent. The faster you descend and the faster you reverse direction and begin to arise from the bottom, the greater the load on the lower back and, according to Bondarchuk, the greater the chance of injury. Bondarchuk also noticed that athletes who were pushing for those extra few reps on a set of squats almost always sank an extra inch or so at the bottom in order to get a bit of "bounce" to push them through the sticking point of the exercise. For this reason, and because he observed that in no sport did the athlete ever find himself in the normal full-squat position, Bondarchuk concluded that it would be safer to use a form of weighted step-up. When he began his research, he was unsure of several things. He wasn't sure how high the bench or chair, onto which the athlete would step, should be. As he began to experiment with different heights, he soon realized that he could achieve complete development of the thighs and hips by using varying bench heights, depending on the needs of the individual athlete. Being well-schooled in anatomy and physiology, he understood that the higher the bench, the more stress would be placed on the hamstring muscles on the rear of the thigh. Conversely, he understood that a lower bench would result in more work being required of the quadriceps muscles on the front of the thigh. Finally, he concluded that the ideal position generally occurred when the athlete was standing on the toes of one foot with the other foot flat on the bench and the top of the raised thigh parallel to the floor. If, however, the athlete was weak in the hamstring area, he should use a slightly higher bench. (I find that a straight leg toes dori-flexed to be best from a safety standpoint. Its easier to catch yourself.zzzz) According to research done by Osse Aura, a professor of biomechanics at the Finnish Institute of Physical Education, the hamstring muscles should be approximately 75% as strong as the quadriceps muscles. If that ratio is not maintained, the chance of injury increases, while the chance of maximum performance decreases. Bondarchuk agrees with Aura's figures and uses a form of the leg curl and leg extension to determine the relative strength of these two muscle groups. (This is unnecessary.) If he finds the quadriceps of a certain athlete to be too strong, he will instruct that athlete to use a higher than normal box height and thus place more stress on the hamstrings. If, on the other hand, an athlete's hamstrings are too strong, the box height will be lowered so that the quadriceps may be stressed more completely. Obviously, since an athlete cannot do a high step-up with even 50% of the weight he or she can use in the full squat, the problem of the "double loading" stress on the lower back is greatly reduced. The lower back experiences far less stress when an athlete does a high step-up with 100 pounds than when he does a squat with 300 pounds, assuming that both of these lifts are maximum efforts. Also, since it would be impossible for an athlete to "bounce" out of the bottom position in the high step-up, this exercise completely eliminates the problem of the bounce. This is an important consideration since the complete full squat, especially when done with a "bounce," is potentially harmful to the structure of the knee. The high step-up starts out similar to the regular squat. The weight is placed on a standard bar and the bar is placed on a squat rack, as would be the case with a squat. But then things are different. Before squatting, normally you step backward, but with the high step-up you move forward, toward the platform onto which you will step. But if your gym isn't set up to allow you to step forward, don't be concerned. Simply be careful as you position yourself for the step-up. You may need to construct a box if you can't find a bench or sturdy chair of the proper height. And if you have a box or chair that's a bit too tall, don't forget that you can use a 100-pound or 45-pound plate under your bottom foot. Or, for that matter, you can use pieces of plywood to achieve the exact position you need. You should also be careful to keep your shoulders more or less over your hips as you step up onto the box or bench; don't bend forward at the waist in order to do the step-up. Also, slightly bend the knee of the leg onto which you lower yourself. It takes some of the shock out of the descent and is a bit safer. Several years ago the Bulgarian weight lifting team began to drop all back squatting in favor of high step-up. By that time, many Soviet lifters had abandoned squats and made their higher lifts in the snatch and clean and jerk than ever before. Perhaps the most dramatic example of this involves the career of Leonid Taranenko, the current holder of the world record in the clean and jerk in the superheavyweight class. Taranenko has done the clean and jerk with the amazing weight of 586 pounds. Think of it! Almost 600 pounds lifted from the floor to full arms' length overhead. But to many longtime lifters in this country, it is perhaps even more amazing than it has been at least four years since Taranenko has done a back squat of any kind. Besides his practice on the snatch and clean and jerk, the only form of heavy leg training that Taranenko does is the high step-up with weights…Heavy weights. His best in this exercise is three reps with each leg with 396 pounds. Taranenko's coach, Ivan Loginovich, one of the foremost trainers in the Soviet Union, was one of the coaches who worked with Bondarchuk to perfect the high step-up and use it as a replacement for the back squat; and one of the proofs found in this particular pudding is Taranenko's many world records. One thing coaches in the Soviet Union and Bulgaria noticed was that those athletes, both lifters and those in other sports, who dropped the squat and used the high step-up developed more complete muscularity than those who simply squatted. Many of the coaches say that the legs of those who work hard on the high step-up look more like those of someone who did sprinting and jumping as well as squatting. Apparently, the balance required in the high step-up calls more muscles into play, producing fuller, shapelier development. As far as how to work the exercise into your training routine, one way would be simply to eliminate squats and replace them with the high step-up, using the same sets and reps and handling as much weight as you could in the step-up. Another way, if you have a desire to push your strength levels up several notches, would be to do the high step-ups as the Bulgarian National Lifting Team does them, which is as follows (assuming that the athlete can do a maximum of two reps in the high step-up with 170 pounds): 1. Begin with one set of 8-10 reps with no weight, and 2. Proceed to 45 pounds for six reps (45x6), 110x3. I32x3, 150x3, l60x3 for three sets, 135 x6 for three sets and sets of 115x3 to failure. The Bulgarian team uses the pulse rate as a gauge to let them know how far to take the sets. They believe that each of the moderate to heavy sets should produce a pulse rate of 162-180 beats per minute. The lifter doesn't begin his next set until his pulse has dropped to between 102 and 108. The Bulgarian team does virtually this same workout five or six days a week, along with quite a lot of other leg work that goes with the snatch and the clean and jerk. Unless you are young (21 or below) and in unusually good condition, we don't recommend that you do such a demanding workout without at least one day of rest between sessions. If these low repetitions don't appeal to you and you'd like to stick with more traditional approach for step-ups, you might simply do several sets of progressively heavier warm-ups, go to three heavy sets of six reps, and finish off with three lighter sets to failure, aiming for 15-20 reps per set. And if that doesn't give you a super pump, you need to have your oil checked. If you do adopt either of these routines, we suggest you drop all other heavy lower body exercises such as leg presses, front squats and hack squats. Be careful not to overtrain. The trick in all exercise programs is to do enough to stress the muscles so that they become larger and stronger, but not so much that they can't recover in time for the next heavy session. Give this result-producing exercise a try. It has literally worked wonders with the strength and power athletes in Eastern Europe, and with their bodybuilders as well, most of whom swear by the high step-up. Make no mistake, squats are a wonderful, effective exercise: but perhaps the high step-up can allow you to make even more gains than you could with squats alone. It's worked out that way in the iron game behind the Iron Curtain.  

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 09 2006 

Thanks for posting the article, Com. Zach! The value of the step-up for WLers is debatable but it is great for many other athletes. Comrades, 3 ways to do them with KBs: overhead, in the rack, in the farmer hold. Make sure to plant the free leg on the top of the step-up; it helps you avoid hyperextending the working knee. 

 

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CubsWS: March 10 2006 

Pavel, some questions about "Solutions for a Tight Back" article in Beyond Bodybuilding... 

I work at UPS doing package handling (unloading, sliding them to different sides of the conveyor belt) on average about 3.5 hours a day (not always every day though). It’s a fast paced job. I also do some strength training every day. My lower back gets worked/used a lot and being able to keep good form for the whole time at work is difficult. Lower back health is of high importance to me right now. I do (Super Joints) (first part) every day as well as McKenzie standing and lying back bends several times a day. I also try to do hanging back decompressions daily. I got interested in also trying the program you outline in the “Solution for a tight back” article in BB (pg 151-155). I tried it yesterday and have a few questions about it. *How often is it meant to be done? *How long of rest periods should one take between the sets and exercises? *You say to superset exercises 3 and 4, what does that mean (to superset)? *For the exercise, 5 the picture looks like he’s performing exercise 1. What’s the correct way to perform exercise 5, move legs forward and backwards like scissors while keeping pelvis straight or should one turn the pelvis some thus making it a more of an angled scissors rather then straight forward and back? Thanks. 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 11 2006 

Com. Cubs: *How often is it meant to be done? DAILY. *How long of rest periods should one take between the sets and exercises? NOT SPECIFIED. YOU ARE NOT TRAINING ENERGY SYSTEMS, SO WHATEVER WORKS. *You say to superset exercises 3 and 4, what does that mean (to superset)? ALTERNATE. *For the exercise, 5 the picture looks like he’s performing exercise 1. What’s the correct way to perform exercise 5, move legs forward and backwards like scissors while keeping pelvis straight or should one turn the pelvis some thus making it a more of an angled scissors rather then straight forward and back? BOTH ARE GOOD. THE IDEA IS 'PRYING' IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.  

 

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Shawn M: March 10 2006 

Ugh, cant get the "dip under" on the double snatch...any ideas 

on how to learn this? I just lock my legs and if I dont get the height I lock out with my arms rather than getting under the weight. Thanks for any coaching tip 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 11 2006 

Com. Shawn, another option is not dipping at all. Keep driving with the hips, lock the glutes, and punch up. Punch up hard style, yet let the KBs go outside the forearms as in GS. With one KB you would have gone into a sping but not with two. Your first attempts may be finished with a pressout, NBD. 

 

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Gilles: March 12 2006 

Ideas for a new exercise combo for GS contest? 

Traditional GS involves the one arm snatch and the two arms jerk, two exercises putting most of the training load on the shoulder girdle, and the posterior chain of muscles. But what about a different exercise selections like : -one arm clean & military press -two KB front squat or -one arm clean & military press -two arm KB snatch In my humble opinion those exercise selections would offer such advantages as a lesser duration of contest (but not a reduced difficulty!...), reducing the possibilities of palm trauma, and spreading the load more evenly between the limbs, especially with the front squat, that would shift a major part of the load to the thighs.  

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 13 2006 

Com. Gilles, you are thinking in the right direction. Starodubtsev (of the table fame) proposed 2KB snatches and Sn with a full SQ but it turned out double snatches done for high reps were traumatic on the back. And presses are impossible to judge. The long cycle reduces the reps and the palm trauma. That sais, your combos are good exercises, but not competitive lifts. 

 

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rabbielk: March 20 2006 

KB and/or PTP 

In PTP Pavel says that it is possible to do two workouts a day. Currently I am fortunate enough to have a job that allows me ample time each day to do two workouts a day. So I was wondering if any of you know or have tried doing both the PTP workout, especially the body-building version, and KB's(as in two workouts each day)? I was thinking of doing one workout PTP, and one workout KB? Any thoughts? Note that I am a wrestler and in the off season I am looking not so much for the size that comes from either workout but with the endurance aspects of working heavy weights for extended periods of time. 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 20 2006 

Com. rabbielk, welcome to the Party! The twice a day recommendation applies to very low volume strength work, not to high volume bodybuilding. E.g., do one set of 5 DLs in the morning and one in the afternoon. The key to twice a day training is dividing your regular workload in more sessions, NOT doing more work. Read our articles for ideas on combining RKC and PTP. 

 

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jim burns: March 20 2006 

A few questions about Pull-Ups – (A Bit Long) 

If the only bar available is too low to permit you to extend fully, are you benefiting less and/or changing the exercise in a significant way if you bend your knees to perform it? I have seen others using higher bars and keeping their knees bent anyway - usually with their feet crossed at the ankles. Even during peak times at the fitness center I go to, the Gravitron machine is usually available. When I use it to offset some of my body weight, I do a few sets using ladders, usually working up to five repetitions before changing the weight stack. When it becomes difficult, I feel that I am cheating somehow. Since you are performing the exercise in a kneeling position- could you possibly be using your core to push off with your knees? When done correctly should I only be aware of the working muscles and of staying tight (lats, abs, shoulders in the sockets, etc. - while pulling with the elbows)? Would it be better to get some bands to allow you to perform assisted pull-ups? Should you make it a point to do pull-ups more than three times a week if you really want to grease the groove? Any help would be very much appreciated. Jim Burns 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 21 2006 

Com. Jim, welcome to the Party! Crossing ankles is not a problem and neither is flexing your knees and hips some on the top. It is on the bottom that you need a full stretch for your abs and hip flexors. Find another bar. You should feel pullups in your whole body. The Gravitron is better than bands because bands help you more where you don't need them (the bottom) and less where you do (the top). 

 
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Why are the biggest deadlifts in the world conventional? 

Just curious, since sumo-style seems to be more popular 

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Pavel Tsatsouline: March 09 2006 

Com. fa_jing, my buddy Doc Fred Clary who pulled 800 cv suggested that the cv DL is a movement naturally programmed in our neural development -bend and pick something up. When you sumo your nervous system thinks you are already sitting down, according to Doc. And a 'natural' movement allows greater psych as the technique is simpler.