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JT_76: February 06 2006
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Is The "What The Hell Effect" Real or Not?
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There seems to be a strong consensus on this board especially among the trainers that specificity rules and there is little if any carry over from one activity to another. Cross Fit style workouts are basically deemed as not effective for much and it's repeated over and over to be a specialist if you want to be good at something, otherwise you won't be good at anything.
In a post a few pages back it was said that the WTH effect may just be ballyho used to sell kettlebells and that there is such little carryover between activities that practicing to walk on a tightrope won't help you at all for walking on a balance beam. But then you look at the advertising for kettlebells and the WTH effect is touted as a major reason to use them. According to the studies kettlebells will make you better at such dis-similar activites such as pull-ups, the powerlifts, running (sprints & medium distance), and broad jumps.
So what is it? Is there carry over or not? I suspect it's like anything, the answer is somewhere in the middle. Obviously running marathons won't prepare you for a powerlifting meet and vice versa but to go so far as to say squats won't help you in jiu-jitsu and tight rope walking won't help you on the balance beam seem to be arguments a little to far in the other direction. For the less than 1% at the world level of competion maybe, but for the other 99% + of us that are regular Joes, there seems to be quite a bit of carryover between various athletic activites.
I'm not here to get anyones panties in a bunch, I'm just trying to see how far we need to split this hair. Just my observations, let 'er rip.
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Pavel Tsatsouline: February 06 2006
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Com. JT_76, an athlete's S&C is divided in general and special, GPP and SPP. The higher the athlete's caliber, the less GPP and more SPP he needs. An extreme is a Bulgarian weightlifter who hardly does anything but the competition lifts and squats.
An athlete whose GPP is lacking will see his specialized performance improve from generalized training. Given the KBs' exemplary GPP record you can see why they work for beginner and intermediate athletes.
When it comes to elite athletes making great strides in their game with KBs, e.g., Com. Donnie Thompson's DL jump from 771 to 832, explanations get fuzzy. My "Fast Tens" article in the current Hard Style (click on the top of the page download a free PDF) will give you some ideas to the nature of the WTH Effect.
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cannavaro: February 08 2006
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How does Pavel train?
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I would be interested to know how Pavel's training diary looks or if anyone knows how any other prominent fitness figures such as Chek, Gray, John etc. actually organise their workouts.
Just curious...
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Pavel Tsatsouline: February 08 2006
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Com. cannavaro, this week I am travelling to MN to teach so I have planned this as an unloading week. Very easy pistols, HLRs, swings, not much structure. Next week I am starting a 6 week structured DL cycle with 3 DL workouts a week. I GTG COC grippers and stretch ~4 times a week. I do HSPs and HLRs for the upper body as my elbow is still shaky and does not care for cleans or snatches.
I do what I teach -but never all at once. Keep it simple.
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UP NORTH: February 09 2006
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Dragon Door Kettlebells
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Just wondering if any heavier kettlebells are going to be sold by dragon door possibly upto some of the ranges that Max kettlebells sell, maybe a 56k bell ?
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Pavel Tsatsouline: February 09 2006
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Com. UP NORTH, no plans. Because once the KB's diameter gets too big, the weight displacement kills the elbow and wrist in cleans, presses, snatches, get-ups, etc. In Russia extra heavy custom KBs usually have lead added to them in order to reduce the diameter. Drill holes and pour it in. They also shave off (flatten) the area where the forearm is in contact in order to reduce the wrist torque. These labor intensive processes combined with the killer freight would make one expensive kettlebell.
If you want to swing very heavy, ping Com. Dan John and ask him where he got his plate loaded swing rig.
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NeilX: February 13 2006
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how far has anyone taken PTP....Pavel?
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i asked this question about a week ago, but it was a friday night and got buried.
but im curious, how far has someone taken PTP? does someone walk into the gym pulling 600x5,or 700x5 plus thier 90% strict PTP style?
i can see 500x5 in my grasp probaly this year, but i figure a lot of people can probaly do that, even if not on PTP.
id love to hear some stories!
-Neil
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Pavel Tsatsouline: February 14 2006
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Com. Neil, when -and if -you arrive at such numbers you will have to indidualize your program. For instance, you might learn that your body better responds to triples. You will figure out the optimal weekly volume, the optimal back-off strategy, etc. The PTP principles (low reps, heavy, no failure, staying fresh, staying tight, etc.) will still stand but the sets/reps/frequency, etc. will have to be finetuned.
Good luck with 500x5!
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SiDaiJoey: February 15 2006
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For Pavel and all: a few questions on planning and goals
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This is a repost; I posted it over the weekend but I think it got buried. I shortened it a little. I also had a bunch of other stuff I wrote before this part; if you care to see it is here:
http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/386752/
1. What are the girevoy sport guidelines for reps of various exercises in what time limits? (I.e. how many snatches in how many minutes, etc). I'd like to test myself once in a while.
2. What are numbers to work up to for "respectable" volume limit? Is there an absolute ceiling on acceptable volume? When do you start seeing diminishing returns (and how can you help avoid it)?
3. If you are forced to train on less sleep and poorer food intake, what are some recommendations for scaling back to try and progress (or at least maintain) without overtraining? Take into account limited free time. I.e. 15-16 hour workdays, leaving the rest of the time for traveling to and from work (hopefully I will live locally next year) eating at least one meal outside of work, studying, and sleeping at least a few hours a night. That is probably about the worst it will get. (I will either get off on some weekends, or the next day off after a 24-hour shift). Other months the workdays are shorter, maybe 13-14 hours). In a rough spot, what are some good ways to get a workout in 10 minutes or so without overdoing it, but still making some improvements over time?
4. What are some other good ways to stick to mostly ballistic drills for a while, but manage to vary it (by varying the drills, sets, or variations of drills)?
5. What are the best loosening drills for your hamstrings and lower and upper back/neck after a session? (Loaded and unloaded stretching ideas welcome)
6. What is the best "active recovery" for KB/conditioning workouts vs. PTP/BB-type workouts?
Thanks everyone!
Com. Joey
NYC
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Pavel Tsatsouline: February 16 2006
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Com. Joey:
If you are interested in GS you need to take a GS seminar. Com. Jared's manual is also a good idea.
You are not in the military so there is no excuse for sleep deprivation or erratic eating. Make it a priority. Take naps in the corner, carry hard boiled eggs and almonds with you. You get the idea.
Super Joints makes a good active recovery regimen.
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dwilliams: February 25 2006
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Maintaining gains between RKC and PTP
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Hi Everyone,
After 2+ years of gains with RKC, I decided to try a few months of dedicated PTP lifting. Taking my program directly from the book ~ 14 day cycle, 5 days a week, etc. I focused on deadlift and bench with PTP and then some secondary exercises each day like windmills or renegade rows. I completed 4 strict cycles and saw steady gains.
Here are some questions as I look to plan my next phase:
1. How many cycles of PTP on the same exercise are realistic before getting stale?
2. I was considering my next phase to be the 6 week Fast 10s. Will the various swing movements of Fast 10s maintain my deadlift gains?
3. Fast tens is a M,W,F program. Any recommendations of T,TH or just active recovery / RIS?
4. Moving back and forth between RKC and PTP how long should one focus on each. Back and forth: month to month, every 2 weeks -longer, or shorter?
Thanks for any feedback!
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Pavel Tsatsouline: February 25 2006
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Com. dwilliams, the answers to the first two questions are vague:
1. How many cycles of PTP on the same exercise are realistic before getting stale? -HARD TO TELL.
2. I was considering my next phase to be the 6 week Fast 10s. Will the various swing movements of Fast 10s maintain my deadlift gains? -DEPENDS ON YOUR DL STYLE, STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES.
3. Fast tens is a M,W,F program. Any recommendations of T,TH or just active recovery / RIS?
DO RIS RIGHT AFTER FAST TENS. ON ALTERNATE DAYS YOU MAY DO SJ.
4. Moving back and forth between RKC and PTP how long should one focus on each. Back and forth: month to month, every 2 weeks -longer, or shorter? EXPERIMENT: 2 WEEKS, 3 WEEKS, 4 WEEKS, 6 WEEKS, 3 MONTHS.
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